Is THE SHACK Heresy?


We knew it would happen eventually. Frankly we thought it would happen far sooner and in far greater quantity than we have seen to date. But we knew The Shack was edgy enough to prompt some significant backlash, which is why so many publishing companies didn’t want to take it on at the beginning.

I never thought everyone was going to love this book. Art is incredibly subjective as to whether a story and style are appealing. I have no problem with a spirited discussion of some of the theological issues raised in The Shack. The books I love most are the ones that challenge my theological constructs and invite a robust discussion among friends, whether I agree with everything in them or not in the end,. That is especially true of a work of fiction where people will bring their own interpretations of the same events or conversations. I never view a book as all good or all bad. It’s like eating chicken. Enjoy what you think is the meat and toss what you think are the bones.

What is surprising, however, is the hostile tone of false accusation and the conspiracy theories that some are willing to put on this book. Some have even warned others not to read it or they will be led into deception. It saddens me that people want to use a book like this to polarize God’s family, whether it’s overenthusiastic reader thrusting it in someone’s face telling them they ‘must read’ this book, or when people read their own theological agendas into a work, then denounce it as heresy.

If you’re interested, read it for yourself. Don’t let someone else do your thinking for you. If it helps convey the reality of Jesus to you, great! If all you can see is sinister motives and false teaching in it, then put it aside. I don’t have time to give a point-by-point rebuttal to the reviews I’ve read, but I would like to make some comments on some of the issues that have come up since I’m getting way too many emails asking me what I think of some of the questions they raise. I’ll also admit at the outset, that I’m biased. Admittedly, I’m biased. I was part of a team who worked with the author on this manuscript for over a year and am part of the company formed to print and distribute this book. But I’m also well acquainted with the purpose and passions of this book.

What do I think? I tire of the self-appointed doctrine police, especially when they toss around false accusations like ‘new age conspiracy’, ‘counterfeit Jesus’ or ‘heresy’ to promote fear in people as a way of advancing their own agenda. What many of them don’t realize is that research actually shows that more people will buy a book after reading a negative review than they do after reading a positive one. It piques their curiosity as to why someone would take so much time to denounce someone else’s book.

But such reviews also confuse people who are afraid of being seduced into error and for those I think the false accusations demand a response. Let me assure any of you reading this that all three of us who worked on this book are deeply committed followers of Jesus Christ who have a passion for the Truth of the Scriptures and who have studied and taught the life of Jesus over the vast majority of our lifetimes. But none of us would begin to pretend that we have a complete picture of all that God is or that our theology is flawless. We are all still growing in our appreciation for him and our desire to be like him, and we hope this book encourages you to that process as well. In the end, this says the best stuff we know about God at this point in our journeys. Is it a complete picture of him? Of course not! Who could put all that he is into a little story like this one? But if it is a catalyst to get thousands of people to talk about theology—who God is and how he makes himself known in the world—we would be blessed.

This is a story of one believer’s brokenness and how God reached into that pain and pulled him out and as such is a compelling story of God’s redemption. The pain and healing come straight from a life that was broken by guilt and shame at an incredibly deep level and he compresses into a weekend the lessons that helped him walk out of that pain and find life in Jesus again.

That said, the content of this book does take a harsh look at how many of our religious institutions and practices have blinded people to the simple Gospel and replaced it with a religion of rules and rituals that have long ceased to reflect the Lord of Glory. Some will disagree with that assessment and the solutions this book offers, and the reviews that do so honestly merit discussion. But those who confuse the issues by making up their own back-story for the book, or ascribing motives to its publication without ever finding out the truth, only prove our point.

Here are some brief comments on the major issues that have been raised about The Shack:

Does the book promote universalism?

Some people can find a universalist under every bush. This book flatly states that all roads do not lead to Jesus, while it affirms that Jesus can find his followers wherever they may have wandered into sin or false beliefs. Just because he can find followers in the most unlikely places, does not validate those places. I don’t know how we could have been clearer, but people will quote portions out of that context and draw a false conclusion.

Does it devalue Scripture?

Just because we didn’t put Scriptural addresses with their numbers and colons at every allusion in the story, does not mean that the Bible isn’t the key source in virtually every conversation Mack has with God. Scriptural teachings and references appear on almost every page. They are reworded in ways to be relevant to those reading the story, but at every point we sought to be true to the way God has revealed himself in the Bible except for the literary characterizations that move the story forward. At its core the book is one long Bible study as Mack seeks to resolve his anger at God.

Is this God too nice?

Others have claimed that the God of The Shack is simply too nice, or having him in humorous human situations trivializes him. Really? Who wants to be on that side of the argument? For those who think this God is too easy, please tell me in what way does he let Mack off on anything? He holds his feet to the fire about every lie in his mind and every broken place in his heart. I guess what people these critics cannot see is confrontation and healing inside a relationship of love and compassion. This is not the angry and tyrannical God that religion has been using for 2000 years to beat people into conformity and we are not surprised that this threatens the self-proclaimed doctrine police.

One reviewer even thought this passage from The Shack was a mockery of the true God: “I’m not a bully, not some self-centered demanding little deity insisting on my own way. I am good, and I desire only what is best for you. You cannot find that through guilt or condemnation….” That wasn’t mocking God but a view of God that seems him as a demanding, self-centered tyrant? The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ revealed himself as the God who would lay down his life for us to redeem us to himself.

The words, “I don’t want slaves to do my will; I want brothers and sisters who will share life with me,” are simply a reflection of John 15:15. Unfortunately those who tend toward legalism among us have no idea how much more completely Jesus transforms us out of a relationship of love, than we could ever muster in our gritted-teeth obedience. This is at the heart of the new covenant—that love will fulfill the law, where human effort cannot.

Does it distort or demean the Trinity?

One of the concerns expressed about The Shack is that it presents the Trinity outside of a hierarchy. In fact many religious traditions think they find their basis for hierarchical organizations in what they’ve assumed about the Trinity. To look at the Trinity as a relationship without the need for command and control is one of the intriguing parts of this story. If they walk in complete unity, why would a hierarchy be needed? They live in love and honor each other. While in the flesh Jesus did walk in obedience to the Father as our example, elsewhere Scripture speaks of their complete unity, love and glory in relating to each other. Different functions need not imply a different status.

This extends in other ways to look at how healed people can relate to each other inside their relationship with God that defines authority and submission in ways most are not used to, but that are far more consistent with what we see in the early believers and in the teaching of Scripture. It is also true of many believers around the world who are learning to experience the life of Father’s family without all the hierarchical maintenance and drama that has plagued followers of Christ since the third century.

People may see this differently and find this challenging, if only because it represents some thought they have not been exposed to before. Here we might be better off having a discussion instead of dragging out the ‘heretic’ label when it is unwarranted.

Does it leave out discussions about church, salvation and other important aspects of Christianity?

This is some of the most curious complaints I’ve ever read. This is the story about God making himself available to one of his followers who is being swallowed up by tragedy and his crisis of faith in God’s goodness over it. This is not a treatise on every element of theological study. Perhaps we should have paused in the story to have an altar call, or perhaps we should have drug a pipe organ into the woods and enlisted a choir to hold a service, but that was not the point.

Is this a feminist God?

The book uses some characterizations of God to mess with the religious stereotypes only to get people to consider God as he really is, not how we have reconstituted him as a white, male autocrat bent on religious conformity. There are important reasons in the story why God takes the expressions he does for Mack, which underlines his nature to meet us where we are, to lead us to where he is. While Jesus was incarnated as man, God as a spirit has no gender, even though we fully embrace that he has taken on the imagery of the Father to express his heart and mind to us. We also recognize Scripture uses traditional female imagery to help us understand other aspects of God’s person, as when Jesus compares himself to a hen gathering chicks, or David likens himself to a weaned child in his mother’s arms.

Has it touched people too deeply?

Some reviewers point to Amazon.com reviews and people who have claimed it had a transforming effect on their spiritual lives as proof of its demonic origin. Please! How absurd is that? Do we prefer books that leave people untouched? This book touches lives because it deals with God in the midst of pain in an honest, straightforward way and because for many this is the first time they have seen the power of theology worked out inside a relationship with God himself.

Does The Shack promote Ultimate Reconciliation (UR)?

It does not. While some of that was in earlier versions because of the author’s partiality at the time to some aspects of what people call UR, I made it clear at the outset that I didn’t embrace UR as sound teaching and didn’t want to be involved in a project that promoted it. In my view UR is an extrapolation of Scripture to humanistic conclusions about our Father’s love that has to be forced on the biblical text.

Since I don’t believe in UR and wholeheartedly embrace the finished product, I think those who see UR here, either positively or negatively are reading into the text. To me that was the beauty of the collaboration. Three hearts weighed in on the theology to make it as true as we could muster. The process also helped shape our theologies in honest, protracted discussions. I think the author would say that some of that dialog significantly affected his views. This book represents growth in that area for all of us. Holding him to the conclusions he may have embraced years earlier would be unfair to the ongoing process of God in his life and theology.

That said, however, I’m not afraid to have that discussion with people I regard as brothers and sisters since many have held that view in the course of theological history. Also keep in mind that the heretic hunters lump many absurd notions into what they call UR, but when I actually talk to those people partial to some view of ultimate reconciliation they do not endorse all the absurdities ascribed to them. This is a heavily nuanced discussion with UR meaning a lot of different things to different people. For myself, I am convinced that Jesus is someone we have to accept through repentance and belief in this age to participate in his life.

Throughout The Shack Mack’s choices are in play, determining what he will let God do in his life through their encounter. He is no victim of God’s process. He is a willing participant at every juncture. And even though Papa says ‘He is reconciled to all men” he also notes that, “not all men are reconciled to me.”

Is the author promoting the emergent movement?

This guilt-by-association tactic is completely contrived. Neither the author, nor Brad and I at Windblown have ever been part of the emergent conversation. Some of their bloggers have written about the book, but we have not had any significant contact with the leaders of that movement and they have not been the core audience that has embraced this book.

That said I have met many people in the emergent conversation that have proved to be brothers and sisters in the faith. While I’m not nuts about all they do, a lot of the statements made about them by critics are as false as what some say about The Shack. They do deeply embrace the Scriptures. As I see it they are not trying to re-invent Christianity, but trying to communicate it in ways that captures a new generation. While I don’t agree with many of the conclusions they’re sorting through at the moment, they are not raving humanists. I have found them passionate seekers of the Lord Jesus Christ, who are asking some wonderful questions about God and how he makes himself known in us.

Does The Shack promote new age philosophy or Hinduism?

Amazingly some people have made assumptions about some of the names to think there is some eastern mysticism here, but when you hear how Paul selected the names he did it wasn’t to make veiled references to Hinduism, black Madonnas, or anything else. It was to uncover facets of God’s character that are clear in the Scriptures.

It’s amazing how much people will make up to indulge their fantasies and falsely label something to fit their own conclusions. Some have even insisted that Mack flying in his dreams was veiled instructions in astral travel. Absolutely absurd! Has this man never read fiction, or had a dream? Just because someone screams there is a demon under that bush, doesn’t mean there is.

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We realize this would be a challenging read for those who see no difference between the religious conditioning that underlies Christianity as it is often presented in the 21st Century and the simple, powerful life in Christ that Jesus offered to his followers. Our hope was to help people see how the Loving Creator can penetrate our defenses and lead us to healing. Our prayer is that through this book people will see the God of the Bible as Jesus presented him to be—an endearing reality who wants to love us out of our sin and bondage and into his life. This is a message of grace and healing that does not condone or excuse sin, but shows God destroying it through the dynamic relationship he wants with each of his children.

We realize folks will disagree. We appreciate the interaction of those who have honest concerns and questions. Those who have been captured by this story are encouraged to search the Scriptures to see if these things are so and not trust us or the ravings of those who misinterpret this book, either threatened by its success, or those who want to ride on it to push their own fear-based agenda.

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Comments

  1. Comment by Phil Hawkins | 2008/03/04 at 17:48:50

    I have to admit I haven’t read the book myself yet, but I’ve been reading your blog and articles for over 4 years and have yet to see any objectionable theology here. Many of these “heresy hunters” remind me of a fellow I knew in Bible college nearly 40 years ago who regarded anybody he disagreed with as a “liberal,”‘ i.e. heretic. These people are so sure of themselves! I am afraid there is a lot of what Paul called “wood, hay, and stubble” in the church today. A little more humility and remembering our finite nature would help.

  2. Comment by pamela | 2008/03/04 at 18:55:43

    I have not read the book either. I’m doing very little reading these days. However the points of contention made here are amazing. Many of the things I have read here and on the blog over the years are things that the ‘leaders’ of my club preach a lot, especially the idea that all three of the Trinity are still God. They do not enphasize this much but appear to feel the way you do. They strongly tell us to not believe things just because they say it. Ask the Lord, pray, seek the Scriptures and allow the Holy Spirit to teach you.

    We are all on a journey where we are developing a wonderful relationship with God the Father through God the Son with the help of God the Holy Spirit. In the end those that have learned how to experience GOD will end up in the same place, meaning that He is not confused and saying hundreds of conflictings about Himself. Religion has presented many lies about God which for the most part has prevented each follower of Christ to truly and completely get to intimately know Him. From what I have read and heard this is the point of The Shack. My schedule these days does not allow me to do much reading for fun. It is amazing that people can actually believe that because people are having true spiritual experiences with the Lord that it is proof of demonic origin. They must be people that do not read their Bibles, much less live what is presented in there. I have no idea of how many verses talk about relating to our Father. There are many.

    If nothing else this book is provoking people to think about their lives. It sounds like a good book that can reach those that have no clue about God or anything like that as well as those that may be born again but bound in religion. There will be more of this in the days to come. As God moves He always challenges religion. Check out how many times Jesus challenged the Jewish leaders of the day. It was not to harm them but to rescue them. He is all about rescue.

  3. Comment by Stephen | 2008/03/04 at 19:47:32

    If The Shack had disappeared after a few hundred copies were sold, there would have been none of this back lash. Part of this is the price of success. As you mentioned on the God Journey the other day, others are wanting to use a negative reaction to piggy back on that success to promote themselves and / or their own agenda.

    I think your response is both balanced and (hopefully) comprehensive. I also hope that Christians will give this book the benefit of the doubt and read it with God, who will be happy reveal himself in whatever way he chooses through the experience.

  4. Comment by Rick Gibson | 2008/03/04 at 20:45:00

    I read a reviewer that complained about Papa saying ’sin is it’s own punishment’ and thought I would share this in response. (Taken from my blog):

    This past Wednesday I heard a pastor say something that smacked me in the forehead and helped me to see that I can sometimes still read certain passages with my old religious lenses on and not even realize it. I’m talking about Romans chapter 1, where it talks about the ‘wrath of God being revealed against all unrighteousness’. Now, I shouldn’t be totally surprised that he said something this cool and amazing, because he is a good friend who is on a journey of his own with God — away from the traditional religious view.

    So Wednesday night, during the Q & A time someone asked him if AIDS was God’s punishment for homosexuality, and I believe that they made a reference to Romans chapter 1; this is a typical fundamentalist take on AIDS. His answer was an unequivocal no. And then he said that if you pay attention to the passage it says ‘God gave them over’ not ‘God punished them with or for’ and that often sin is it’s own punishment. That’s when I heard the smack on my forehead. Sounds like something I read in ‘The Shack’ which I knew from life experience was true, but didn’t realize there was a Scripture to back it up. I had to go read it for myself to be sure, which is funny because I am quite familiar with this passage but all those years had been reading it wrong. That is a very different kind of wrath indeed, not the god with the flamethrower, but the Father who lets the prodigal go hoping that he will learn that what he is wanting will destroy him. And, once he has learn that, turn back toward home.

  5. Comment by Donna | 2008/03/05 at 00:03:13

    What a wonderful response. I read Ch 1 online today, and this afternoon was in a bookstore and looked for the book but it isn’t there yet - but it is on its way! I am really NOT a fiction gal, but I have heard so much about the book I figure to read it just so I can relate to the discussion on the e-loop. Also I think it might be something I can share with others, once I know better what it is about…

    why does it say Kenya Update at the top of this page???

    Blessings,
    Donna in FL

  6. Comment by Kevin | 2008/03/05 at 06:01:07

    Wayne:

    Excellent response to some of the hyper-critical reviews that are on the Web. May I suggest posting this on Amazon as an author’s review or comments of some type?

    - Kevin

  7. Comment by todd | 2008/03/05 at 09:33:16

    Loved your explanations Wayne,

    thanks for doing this……

    all the best to everyone!

    in Father’s care,

    Todd

  8. Comment by Rick | 2008/03/05 at 10:43:36

    Wayne & Brad,

    Haven’t kept up with you guys much but always sense freedom in what you’re up to. Here’s to continuing to live out the life within!

    God is a universalist :-p

    Rick

  9. Comment by Rich | 2008/03/05 at 11:11:20

    I read The Shack a few months ago and was given the opportunity to see Father through someone elses glasses…nice!

    I think there was a time when some people claimed that Jesus healed people by the power of satan…and He didn’t have nice things to say about that.

  10. Comment by Jess | 2008/03/05 at 17:16:58

    Sigh…, this unfortunately doesn’t come as much of a surprise. It is too true that Christians seem more preoccupied with who has the truth and who doesn’t, instead of living in the light as followers of Jesus. What a stark contrast from the blog entry by Michele. We have been shooting each other for a long time…

    It could be worse Wayne, if you would have been labelled heretic 500 years ago they would be doing more than writing angry reviews, on Amazon. The witch hunts continue, even though the methods change….

  11. Per
    Comment by Per | 2008/03/05 at 21:52:40

    After finally, finding a church where I liked most of the teaching - expository in nature for 4 years. I have come full-circle back to where I started…without a regular church service. After a very trusted friend shared his journey and then sending me this book I was a bit skeptical of this lifestream message. As most have said, if a person is born again - then the spirit, Jesus our author and finisher of our faith, will carry us through this journey prodding us as stated in Romans 8:28 working out His will thru our lives. I have heard some people talk about checking out Universalism…so then hearing again some more comments toward that religion raised concerns…So I listened to Wayne describe further His disbelief in such UR…always bringing what is said back to support in the bible - not finding where Wayne is off on some tangent. I like also how Wayne states, …that we are all in this ‘learning and growing’ so as we grow in Christ, we are not the same person 5, 10 years ago.

  12. Comment by John Langford | 2008/03/06 at 04:19:29

    Hi Wayne

    Thank you for your clear and gracious response to christians who live in fear for all the wrong reasons! They are the “protectors of the church system” and my heart breaks for those honest believers who have been deeply drawn to Jesus through The Shack and then come across this “gospel, which is not really The Gospel of the Kingdom” but an attack by those who have nothing better to do than pull fictional books apart.
    We loved the book. It was refreshing, encouraging, heart warming and would recommend it to anyone! May this book continue to be a tool to bless and encourage others in their walk with Jesus as well as silence the ….idiot brigade!!!

  13. Comment by Cristelle | 2008/03/06 at 05:44:28

    Hi ! It’s so funny to read this article because I’m reading the shack and I’m soon gonna be over reading it ! what I’m gonna say is simple : it just brought me so closer to God ! So much ! it’s like when I’m over reading some pages I stop and just have to talk to God !! You know tis book made me realise how we don’t imagine how God is close to us ! He is just so near that we don’t notice it sometimes…
    I love this book ! Because it brought reality in who God is ! that’s all what I have to say ! so I said it :)

  14. Comment by jeremy | 2008/03/06 at 08:37:29

    Thanks for the comments Wayne….I have kept up with Lifestream since about 2001 and love all the books i’ve read of you and love the Lifestream newsletters, etc

    I agree with most of your comments here except maybe with the U.R comments. Let me be frank, right now i’m in the middle of a deep down nervous breakdown of sorts and a lot of it has to do with the concept of the traditonal hell etc…. For me, even the possibility that someone can go to hell - forever is enough to drive everyone mad …In fact the whole christian world should be going mad - either by worrying about the ‘lost’ and the idea of hell, or by ‘trying’ to save as many as possible every minute of every day.
    The biggest thing that has paralyzed me is the idea that in anyway salvation is up to us…Ie - Free Will. This has not happend overnight - for many years i was into teachings such as those by Charles Finney etc and was a convinced Arminianist, but gradually over a number of years became broken and fragile and to see that salvation is up to me in anyway just simply paralyzes me with overwhelming fear. One book that has helped me is ‘The Really Bad Thing about Free Will’ by Martin Zender - although i don’t agree with everything this guy says, this book is a killer to the ‘free will’ doctrine i think.

    I have read alot of other stuff mainly over the net in the last few year on U.R and like a lot of it….I’m not totally convinced of it ….I want to be, but a lot of what is said on this topic makes sense to me…I am currently reading a book called ‘Hope Beyond Hell’ that is free to get on the net by the way, and this has some interesting points.

    I guess the bottom line however is that after about 10 years of being of the ‘grace journey’ since giving up the legalism road gradually since about 1997 i’m still dying for a revelation of God’s love for me inside, I can’t force it however and knowing God’s love for me experientially is more important that anything else.

    But one of the U.R ideas that i’d like to bring up is that in traditonal christianity there is the concept that ‘the world needs to know God…ie get saved, but also people preach that it would be just for God to send people to hell’ …..So Which is it? and what does it matter? ….If alot of people get saved or everyone goes to hell?….Either way God will be happy ….Cos Justice is Good! and so is His Love! I guess what i’m getting at is that the christianity apart from U.R preaches a god who is at war with himself - ie it promotes Holiness as if it is opposed to Love and Justice as if it is opposed to Mercy …and so on …..

    Anyway, i’m tired now…there is so much more i could say,
    But thanks anyway Wayne for your comments

  15. Comment by Kelly | 2008/03/06 at 09:01:06

    “Heresy”??? That word sends rigors through me. Guess I’ve read too much about the inquisitors and their mind-set.

    Thanks, Wayne, for taking the time to write about some of the comments being made ‘out there’ re The Shack. The subjects raised are serious and I’m sure hearing them addressed by you will be a help. Since you were ‘there’ almost from the beginning and put in many hours with Brad and Paul, you can more clearly relate the thinking behind what was written.

    In my opinion, many of the questions stirred by the book need to be honestly and forthrightly talked about. Yes, there are those who are sitting on a high hill and want to dictate what people believe and read and participate in. It’s not those folks I’m concerened about in my note here. Also, in my opinion, He will bring Light into our dark places, where we see not so clearly right now, we will see clearly as He enables us to. All of us - those on the high hills - and those on not so high hills.

    As a recovering ‘doctrine police’/pharisee, I’ve pretty much steered away from public comments about the book. But… decided to express some thoughts, not so much about the book’s content but about people’s attitude.

    In general, we humans seem to adopt the attitude that if someone does not like a book [play, action, etc] which we do like, we let them know in varying degrees of intensitiy that they, 1) just aren’t spiritual enough to ‘get it’, 2) they have their own agendas and therefore they cannot approve nor endorse what the book says, 3) they are flat out wrong, and 4) they have way too many holy cows eating in their pastures. I suspect there are other reasons but right now they don’t come to mind. In essence, we write off what they say - in doing so, we write them off, too.

    I’ve seen this come out - at times in all it ugliness - when someone says they really don’t care for this book.

    In my expierence and long years of living, there are few of us without agenda, and there are many cows roaming around - still - in even the most liberated of His followers.

    It is grievous to me that we tend to belittle those who don’t agree with us. I’ve done it - still do it to a degree - am tired of doing it and having it done to.

    Sheesh! Is this beginning to sound like ‘can’t we all just get along?’ or what. :-)

    Kelly

  16. Comment by Pierre Duelz | 2008/03/06 at 10:45:35

    The Shack had a strong effect on me, and I’ve given it to many friends. One friend loved it and it had an impact on her. Then she read a very negative article about it. Here’s what she wrote and my response.

    Hey Pierre, look at this and go to the website below. If you scroll all the way to the bottom it says that one of the ways that deception is coming into the churches are books like “The Shack” and “Course in Miracles”. Whew!! I guess I need to talk to my sons that I gave the book to. Seems it is pretty easy to be deceived. C. Y.

    Dear C.Y.
    I read that article two weeks ago. It was part of several articles listed on a newsletter I regularly receive that is dedicated to exposing the “Emergent Church”.

    First, let me say that I am not immature in the faith and am not easily deceived. This is not to say I could never be, but I can tell you that I wasn’t by The Shack. Remember that: ” It is the Spirit who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth.” 1 John 5:6 Also Romans 8:16: “The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit.”

    I’m reminded of the two disciples on the road to Emmaus after Jesus left and they were recounting what happened saying, “Were not our hearts burning within us while He was speaking to us on the road, while He was explaining the Scriptures to us?” I remember how my heart was burning as new dimentions of the width and breath of God were revealed to me through reading The Shack. Were there ANY places that I scoffed at? Sure, but lets not throw out the baby with the bath water and say that there was nothing of eternal value revealed there. Remember the parable of the sower where the evil one comes and snatches away the seed of truth. Lets not let that happen. Spiritual growth spurts are too few and far in between to lose one.

    Let me also say that I have not read, nor intend to, the book “A course in miracles”. From excerpts I’ve read I believe that I cannot support this book.

    Now why would someone compare it to “The Shack” is certainly questionable. Sometimes well meaning people go off the deep end and wind up doing more damage than good. Pride can step in and make someone think that they have to save God and Christiandom from the boogeyman. They become driven by the need to find demons under every rock, rather than being guided by God. This will push them right into the enemy’s camp where they’ll help his cause unaware. Zeal for God is like a powerful sports car, it can easily go out of control when used recklesly.

    I read a good bit from quite a few sources. I find that some of these sources must be taken with a grain of salt. They have many good points, but there often seems to be an attitude of superiority in their writing, as if they could never possibly be wrong about anything. They lack in humility and display an agenda of wanting to disprove others, more then having a point their own.

    Just like there are prophets of doom talking about the end of the world, there are scaremongers sowing fear about bringing any change to the way it’s always been done in the “church”. I’m not saying that there is NO truth in the article you read, it’s just like what I was saying about the book. One questionable comment does not negate the other truths within the same work. The Spirit reveals and separates the Truth from the chaff in everything that we seek His guidance in. The problem lies is in our emotions wanting to rule our mind instead of the Peace of God.

    It is a sad and much too often repeated story, people in ministry who start out genuine and on fire for God and His Truth, but wind up going off the deep end and losing track of the Truth Revealer. Jesus told the church at Ephesus that He saw their zeal, but that they had lost their first Love. Ouch! Ministry leaders often fall victim to their old friend, the flesh, and allow it to lead them into over zealous conclusions and beliefs.

    With that being said, lets talk content here.

    Certainly the first and biggest hurdle I had to overcome in the book, was the portrayal of God the Father by a woman. I almost didn’t get past that, but thank God I did. This helped me to let go of the human box I had made God fit into. We know that God is spirit, not flesh. Therefore He is neither male or female. The question begs then, why does the Bible and Jesus refer to Him as Father?

    First, we must remember that the Bible is not God. It is God’s Word, given to men, limited human beings. The Bible is one of God’s tools to communicate and reveal Himself to us. This method of communication restrains God to the limitations of the human language. He is also restricted by our difficulty in grasping abstract or non-physical concepts such as Himself. (These restrictions are reflective of men’s limitations, not God’s) This is why symbolism and parables are often used in Scriptures, to get the message across. In other words, using word pictures that we can recognize or relate to, to give us a view of an infinite concept, such as God or eternity. When we become too literal, then many questions are unanswerable such as: If God is really our “father” then who is the mother?, or then who is His wife? Do you follow my line of thinking? His goal is for us to love Him, not understand Him.

    It’s like when Jesus was talking to the Pharisees and Teachers of the Law in Matt 23. He told them “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cummin, and have neglected the weightier provisions of the law” They held so fast to the letter of the Law that they did not apply the spirit of the Law. The “letter” of the Law, the Bible, says He is my “Father” It’s written right there. But the spirit of the Law is trying to communicate with those words, the picture of how much He loves and cares for me, and wants to protect me, and provide for me, etc. like a human father does for his children. That’s something we can relate to.

    In this day and age, most Christians are aware that some individuals have a very negative view of God the Father. This is often because of having experienced a very bad “earthly” father. The “spirit” of the Law, or the message God wants us to hear, is that He has an infinite love for us, that He is our Creator, and that He owns everything and wants us to have it all by having a relationship with Him. Seeing only the “letter” of the law, can make a person like this stay away from Father God, based on their bad experience with a “father”.

    This is what the author was communicating. In the story, Mack’s childhood had scarred him because of his bad dad. Then the loss of his daughter had caused Mack to close the door on God and the world. In God’s immense love for his child, He knew that a male father figure would not illicit the response needed to save Mack from himself. Thence comes Papa, the big black woman. Notice that it was still intentionally Papa, not Mama. I believe this goes to reveal intention by the author. Which I think is commendable. One wanting to push New Age views would have said Mama.

    This helped me to realize that I still had a human box that God had to fit into. God is so much bigger then that. For me to realize more of His presence, this box needed to be removed. Yes, God is our Heavenly father, but not with the long white beard etc. I’m glad the box is gone. It’s now easier to trust Him more, because I don’t have Him subconsciously in that human frame. He’s still Daddy or Papa, but His long beard is pretty well gone now.

    There were other passages in the book that knocked me for a loop when I first read them. These were also intended to fracture some of these human or finite parameters that we built our concept of God around. “Jesus says He’s not a christian! WHAT? I’m out-of-here…” Certainly there is fear that comes along with venturing into new, unchartered waters. Our responsibility is to seek God’s Truth about Himself to relieve that fear. The point in this passage is that we have been programmed to ACT like Christians. But here again comes the problem of our “concept” or our view of what is a “Christian”. The real Jesus wants us to be like HIM. Not like the image or the idea that has been painted by a man, a religion, or a denomination of what a “Christian” is supposed to be like. Would you say: “You know, I am a lot like myself ” No, of course. You ARE yourself. Just like Jesus is Himself. The word christian means being a little Christ. Is Jesus a little Christ? No. He IS Christ.

    Being a Christian has evolved from modeling oneself after the character of Christ, to fitting a certain human mold. That mold though, is interpreted differently by different people and denominations. How can that be? Are there variations of Christ to model after? No! Can both salt water and fresh water come out of the same well? This ought not to be according to God’s Word. There is only one True mold and it’s not even a mold, it’s the Real Thing, Jesus. Not someone’s idea of it.

    Having read the scenario of Jesus saying He is not a christian, enabled me to think about the issues I just wrote about. Questioning who determines what a Christian is? Forcing me to the conclusion that the only way to keep from being a “skewed” little Christ, or making an inaccurate representation of Him, was to first realize that a lot of this mold or image I held to came from men more then from Jesus. Secondly, it drove me to the feet of Jesus for a better glimpse of What and Who I wanted to represent to others. This is the biggest disadvantage and problem with the human box we place God in. It actually keeps us from being as close to the true Him as we could, because we are looking at a replica. A life size, human replica of Him doesn’t work, because He is bigger than life. No human thought can fully encompass Him. We need to throw off the moorings of our human limitations and allow God to be Who He is before us, in order for us to be in awe of Who He really is.
    The limitations we place on our perception of God come from our fallen nature which is at enmity with God. Consider the source of your reservations, the human element, and compare it with the motivation of love of Papa.

    Choose you this day who you will serve, who you will seek, whose revelation of himself you will believe.

    I hope this helps. It is a labor of love.

    Pierre >
    NW Florida

  17. Comment by pamela | 2008/03/06 at 11:12:56

    To Donna,

    The Kenya Update link is a link to the previous blog entry. When you are on a page that has older and newer blog entries you will see the blog titles linked both to the top left and top right of the page under the menu at the top of the page.

  18. Comment by Malcolm Trosclair | 2008/03/06 at 18:50:15

    The question on the table in my view is the “Authority of Scripture.”

    I was not able to read “The Shack” all the way through because it greives my soul to see yet another popular book that works to “deconstruct” Biblical Christianity, by encouraging people to question every doctrine in Scripture. Satan’s question “Did God really say… has done no end of trouble to mankind and it is still being asked today.”

    An example of this is the claim by Emerging Church Leaders that the death ofJesus on the cross is a “slaughterhouse religion” which dishonors God. Instead of reading a book like “The Shack,” that brings doctrinal confusion to new and old believers alike, why not read something that brings doctrinal understanding like “The Normal Christian Life?”

    The book “Faith Undone” by Roger Oakland, exposes the false teachings of the Emerging Church and would be a good place to start to see where efforts to deconstruct Christianity are taking us.

    It seems to me that there are many books availabe to shake people up so that they begin to question “the teachings of men” that creep into a church, or into a person’s belief system, without having to cast doubt on wheather or not God the Father should be thought of as our Heavenly Father as Scripture tells us to, or something else entirely.

  19. Comment by Andrew | 2008/03/07 at 07:21:27

    Malcolm,

    You are not getting it. We don’t need to see your blog site about the horrible emergent church. This book and its authors are not about the emergent church nor are they about false teachings. Furthermore it doesn’t destroy “biblical Christianity” it enhances it. What it may do is take some of the false teachings about Father that the organized Christian culture has accepted as truth – NOT Biblical truth - and flip it on its ear. If you would have read the Q & A in Wayne’s blog you would have seen that. Wayne has stated many times that he is not part of the emergent movement or any other system created by man. In all my years of Christian schooling I have yet to meet a man that only points to Father the way Wayne does that is very characteristic of Paul. If you can open your mind and take a look at how much Father loves you. Take a look at what He did on the cross – not mans view of appeasement but Father’s view of love and you will see that Father never abandoned His one and only Son when He was at His darkest moment.

    Jesus was not a Christian. He didn’t come to start another religion but a way to the Father. Look at Jesus’ views and anger towards the men that “knew” God’s religion. The Pharisees of that day are still prominent today with the teachings of appeasement and works. They also still get angry every time Father reviles Himself to His kids.

  20. Comment by Ashley Aus (mtash) | 2008/03/07 at 13:49:52

    I don’t think The Shack calls Biblical doctrine or even the authority of Scripture into question–I think it calls into question lots of the awful stuff that religion has sold to us packaged as “Biblical doctrine”.

    And Adam and Eve weren’t the only ones in the Bible to ever question anything. The Bereans questioned the apostle Paul’s doctrine and the Bible says this was a noble thing to do.

    In The Shack, Paul Young isn’t saying, This is what God is like! Who cares what the Bible say. But rather, let’s take another look and see if perhaps our religious doctrines haven’t tainted our interpretation of Scripture and ultimately caused us to misunderstand our God.

  21. Comment by stew | 2008/03/07 at 17:09:04

    The Shack is an awesome book. I recall a few folks not being too happy about Jesus, either. Don’t be discouraged by the criticism- listen to the redemptive stuff and shake the rest off. Keep publishing!!

  22. Comment by Adam | 2008/03/07 at 23:36:11

    Emergent, Universalism, Emotionalism, call it what you want, let us not forget that the heart of man is corrupt. Read the scriptures, compare the concept this book offers to the Word. Stop defending this fad, and stand up for what is right as a follower of Jesus Christ.

  23. Comment by The Other Pam | 2008/03/08 at 09:02:13

    I am reminded again of the post of the email by the young lady living in Sudan. She is too busy being loved and loving others to quibble. The best thing I’ve gotton from this conversation is the phrase “living loved”. When I can “live loved”, I love well.

    I believe scripture to be the plumbline. I think the idea that truth is relative is a chaotic idea. I remember a colleague at a Christian school said to me “I believe what the Bible says.” Everybody in every denomination or independant church, fellowship, club whatever you want to call it says that. You can have two responses to the confusion that arises from the fact that we arrive at different conclusions from the Bible on many issues. One is “I am right and everyone else is wrong because the do not know how to interpet scripture.” The other response is “Though I have tried to be faithful to this scripture, I am human and broken and bound to misunderstand some things. The fact that other sincere believers disagree with me means I have to continually ask the Father by the power of the Holy Spirit to heal and inform my mind as I go back to scripture again and again. I don’t have truth by the tail” Is the latter view what people call universalism? I think not. Univeralism says all roads lead to God. Any religion that says obervance of laws or rituals earns the love of God or a place in some kind of paradise is not the way even if it calls itself Christianity. I think we need to recognize that to get it “all right” is going to be difficult and quite possibly impossible this side of eternity. If we can arrive at what is right through intellect alone, what do we need God for?

    Jeus said that the greatest commandments were to love — to love God and to love our neighbor. I think our doctrine needs to be examined by that great truth from the mouth of Jesus recorded in the Bible. Does what we believe allow us to understand the love of God better and from that love others better? Is it bringing life? Does it elicit love or fear? My experience with The Shack is that it expanded my heart. I can’t believe these human images of God trivialized Him. What was the Jesus moment in history all about then? He cannot be contained to one metaphor. Look how many there are in scripture.

  24. Comment by todd | 2008/03/08 at 12:10:24

    Pam,

    thanks for bringing it back to living loved by God…..receiving his love through Christ and sharing it with others!!!

    well put….well put.

    Todd

  25. Comment by Lindsay | 2008/03/08 at 13:16:04

    This review of “The Shack” was posted on Amazon yesterday. I think it is a beautiful example of how Father is using the book. In the words of Gamaliel, “…if it is from God, you will not be able to stop these men; you will only find yourselves fighting against God.” (Acts 5:39)

    “As an extremely disillusioned Christian, feeling desperately alienated from God, the last thing I wanted to read was another “Christian Book” written by someone trying to get rich in the fish-and-dove-industry. But the book was a gift from someone who didn’t even like me much in the past, let alone give me gifts, so I felt I should read it. I might add that I attended Bible College (years ago) worked extensively in teaching ministries, have an extensive library of theological texts, and can quote verbatim the entire New Testament and large portions of the Old. I also prefer to read only truly well-written fiction…like the classics.
    Wellll…..I cried, I laughed, I cried some more…and by the time I finished I felt years of frustration, resentment, and self-inflicted guilt melting away…for the first time in years my prayer time felt like a 20-minute healing Hug. Every day since then I have felt a deeper peace and understanding of what God is doing in my life and how to simply commit every situation and choice to his perfect Love.
    For every statement and device Mr. Young uses in his wonderfully imagined story, I can correlate it with Scripture, and in particular with the words of Jesus, as well as Paul. This is not New-Age or disguised Buddhism. This is a compelling portrait of the Trinity, an explanation of why only a Trinity God could truly Love, a total pointing to the sacrifice of Christ as the way to God, and most of all, the healing truth of Relationship rather than rules…which was Paul’s message in a nutshell…and who knows exactly what Paul saw in his own desert visions which he says he was not “allowed to utter”? After all, a truly omnipotent God could appear in any form He chooses…even a burning bush, or a still, small voice…
    Those who want to call this book evil or dangerous, in spite of the thousands of testimonies of spiritual healing, relationships restored, faith rekindled, forgiveness of old wounds, etc. sound to me exactly like a bunch of Pharisees hotly arguing over whether it is lawful to heal on the Sabbath. Jesus was never fooled by such religiosity, and neither should we be.
    I will also be re-reading this book many times and pondering the beautiful presentation of deep Biblical truths. I will be giving it as a gift every chance I get. Read it with an open heart and experience the Love that is God. Thank you, Mr. Young, for this inspired work.”

  26. Comment by cynthia | 2008/03/08 at 15:59:15

    Lindsay, you said it all and beautifully too!! The book did the very same thing for me . It brought an ending to and old mindset, and a beginning of a deeper, richer walk.
    Brovo dear one, wonderfully said.

  27. Comment by Peter | 2008/03/08 at 22:28:09

    I’m thinking that the “foundational core” of a person’s faith will determine how they respond to The Shack. In identifying the differences it is hard to find language that is not inflammatory of judgemental but I’ll try: If the very pinpoint centre of your faith is a relationship with God (ie Father/Son/Holy Spirit), then The Shack will be wonderful. If on the other hand, your centre point is primarily the Bible, then The Shack will probably press a whole other set of buttons. My point is not who is right or wrong, but rather just recognising that sadly, at least for the time being, the differences are like oil and water (ie won’t mix). Such a subtle yet profound difference in perspective leads to both sides speaking what are essentially different languages. Perhaps guidance for both sides can come from Jesus: just as He was at peace with how His audience responded to the parables, we can all be at peace with how individuals respond to The Shack.
    We can have some fun labelling each other “Emergers” or “Bible-idolaters” etc., but it is much more fruitful to just get on with the journey and trust Father to do what Father does best!
    Thanks Brad, for resisting the obvious temptations and just putting the record straight.

  28. Comment by Sharon | 2008/03/08 at 22:45:40

    Challenge equals growth and for me, next to the Word, it was the teachings of Wolfgang Simpson…what an eye opener to the fact that my husband and I weren’t the only ones feeling that we didn’t fit in organized church. Then my husband found Wayne’s website and ordered several books, among them the “Jake Book”. It rocked our world and moved us further into a life of love with Father and his children. A life that we could not find in a church building or even in a house meeting. Then my husband ordered “The Shack”. He devoured it and handed it to me. I’m not a reader, choosing to wait for the video to come out, and as I took the book, I flipped it over to read the back cover. My husband stopped me asked that I not enter into the book with any preconceived ideas, but to keep an open mind and let Father lead. I was so thankful for his advice. This book let me see how much of organized religion is still in me…not just since I’ve been born again for the past 25 years, but since I was introduced to church as toddler. I cried, I laughed, I cried some more and I saw so much of me in Mack’s journey. I believe that the presentation of Papa, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are as close to reality as anything I have ever known of them. My conversations with them now are much more natural and real.

    I initially wrestled with why this particular scenario would be used to bring Mack through his healing, but I know this is every parent’s worst fear and if Father can bring Mack through this, He can bring him (us) through anything.

    Thank you, Mr. Young for your obedience in writing this incredible book. Thank you, Wayne for the courage of your convictions to publish this incredible book. I am further changed by this experience, desiring to love His children without putting my conditions and expectations on them.

  29. Comment by Pam Hogeweide | 2008/03/09 at 00:38:52

    i gave the book a three-star review at my blog. (click on under book review stories under labels if you are interested in reading it)

    for me, the theology was the best part of the book. i loved it.

    As for heresy hunters and their charges? Well, there is good company to be kept in the heresy camp. Wasn’t Jesus called a heretic for how he presented his portrait of God?

  30. Comment by Malcolm Trosclair | 2008/03/10 at 19:46:53

    ANDREW,
    ”To the pure, all things are pure.” It is possible for a mature and secure Christian like my friend Pierre to read a book like “The Shack” and be challenged and blessed. For others however such a book leads to confusion and following after false teachings.
    I have been watching the Christian Church be destroyed by false teaching of many types for fifteen years now and I am always amazed at how much the body of Christ is willing to not only put up with, but also to defend as useful. While “The Shack” is not teaching that God is a woman, it is certainly causing confusion.
    Andrew, I am glad that you don’t need to go to my blog to find out how bad the emerging church movement is, but you need to realize that just because someone claims not to be emergent doesn’t make it so.
    The truth is that there are many in the Body of Christ today who embrace “contemplative prayer” and many other things that are deconstructing Biblical Christianity who deny being part of the emerging, or emergent church movement.
    Those who are not afraid to look at the evidence can go to Lighthouse Trails Research at http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/ the publisher of Roger Oakland’s book “Faith Undone” and order it online. The book is titled “Faith Undone,” because that is exactly what is happening in the Body of Christ.
    Those who follow the methods and philosophy of the emerging church movement are hurting people even if they deny that anything emergent is going on in their church and they need to repent, even if they do have the biggest church in Florida, or the smallest for that matter.
    Spiritual Pride is not limited to people in “Discernment Ministry.”
    Think about it!

  31. Comment by Betty R Hutchens | 2008/03/11 at 09:57:28

    The Shack is an astonishing read. Browsing the first pages I sensed an anointing on the writing. Hoping my sense was accurate, I opted to savor portions as part of my morning devotion. Rather than replace Bible reading, each portion served to enhance my time of worship with pondering wonder.

    I was stunned, then laughed when Papa opens the door and Mack sees “Him” for the first time. Strangely disorienting, I think I “get IT!” Rather than being offensive, I believe it opens one to see what Scripture clearly portrays…God is not to be confined to any man made image. He is so much more.

    I saw nothing sacrilegious. I see a tool to crack open a rigid, “religious” heart view.

  32. Comment by Val Thompson | 2008/03/13 at 23:26:10

    Has anyone attached scripture to the teachings in the The Shack?

  33. Comment by Dustin Brown | 2008/03/14 at 21:45:07

    I wasn’t going to read the book as I had heard discussion that raised some large red flags for me.
    But then I decided to read it for myself. The following is a couple emails I wrote after reading in discussing it with a couple of my pastors:
    ————————————–
    I decided if lots of people are reading it I should probably read it before judging it,
    so I did.
    I went in expecting mostly dirty bathwater but I also found a lot of baby in there too.
    The salvation to all idea is there if one wants to read it that way, but I found it to
    be more Arminian - free will choice of Christ’s sacrifice, with even one part giving a
    nod to Calvinism - predestination.

    I’m not sure I like having a long emotional fictional story pull me into this guy’s
    theologizing. But there are some good points, as well as some questionable points.

    Leaving fiction for a minute and returning to reality: Jesus is all the “God in human
    form” that we need, so I found the books human presentation of the Father and Holy
    Spirit very cartoonish and loosing the awe for me.

    God Bless you and your family

    ———————————————————-
    If you get a chance to take a look at the book I’d be interested in your take on it.
    I know God has used less than perfect tools in my life to do His perfect work so I’m
    starting to think the book has merit in that sense.
    I probably wouldn’t recommend it routinely, but I don’t think I’ll put it on my “avoid”
    list either.

    ———————————————————–

  34. Comment by Jonah | 2008/03/29 at 07:06:50

    This is one of the best books i have ever read!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  35. Comment by Mike | 2008/04/03 at 10:00:35

    Awesome book!
    I am the manager & co-owner of a small, independent Christian bookstore & cafe…
    we can’t keep the book on the shelves! We have sold over 50 in the past 4 weeks and are using The Shack for our Book Club.
    I thank God (Papa!) for the way this book has been used to break through preconceived notions.

    Tell W.P.Y. thanks for letting God use his talent to clarify some things about God!

  36. Comment by Mike Messerli | 2008/04/06 at 21:02:38

    First, let me tell you that I am an evangelical pastor. I read the book, understood its intent and purpose, and LOVED IT!

    I have recommended it to everyone I have talked to about it, and am using it in a men’s group right now. It forces these men to look at all of “their theological boxes” in an honest way.

    You did a great job of defending the book, but I must say I don’t think you needed to do so. If anyone missed it let me remind then of this one fact- IT’S A NOVEL! I knew that when I bought the book, and gave great room for that, but found the theology very well done. Honestly I was amazed at well you guys navigated all the theological traps that you could have fallen into.

    I loved the book, and will continue to recommend it. Well done, and thanks!

    Mike

  37. Comment by Lee Hemen | 2008/04/07 at 10:31:05

    Sorry for those who thought it was good. I read it and thought it was very weak and, well, boring. It was weak in that it seemed to be self-indulgent, which I suppose the world is. However, I would not recommend it to a non-believer because it would cause a lot of confusion, especially when they actually begin to read the Bible for themselves. The world tens to “humanize” Jesus too much and the church tends to “ultra-deify” Him as He walked this earth too much. We forget what Paul wrote in Philippians that Jesus willingly laid aside His deity to become obedient.

    To be honest I find most Christian fiction weak in content, weak in character building, and weak in story line because most authors that label themselves as “Christian” are afraid to offend anyone or to push the envelop. This book was no different.

    I can see why uber-conservatives (KJV only) would struggle with this book. While I am theologically conservative Calvinist, I find a lot of what is taught by conservative Christian churches to be non-biblical and just regurgitated pap that has little reality with actual Scripture. Premillienial dispensationalism to name one.

    Remember folks it is FICTION! Do not take your theology form a fictional book no matter who writes it for whatever purpose, if you do you are guilty of theological secular syncretism. Which much of the Emergent Church is.

    Just my own thoughts.

  38. Comment by Caitie | 2008/04/11 at 20:22:02

    I was skeptical about reading this book for two reasons: first, I’m always skeptical about Christian trends that seem to be spreading like wildfire, simply for the fact that they often create a distraction from what is really important: God’s word and His Church in fellowship; second, I’m always skeptical about Christian fiction because of the risk we take when subjecting ourselves to another person’s interpretation of God (though it is incredibly encouraging to see God from another’s perspective because it allows us to see another facet of our infinite God, it is also dangerous when you do not know that person’s theological background and can therefore easily be lead astray). After hearing my closest friends rave about it, however, I knew I had to read it. This book changed my life in the sense that it opened new doors in my prayer life and broke down many walls I never knew I existed in my heart to who God really is–it can be scary knowing that God exists outside our comfortable constructions of Him. While I am always cautious when recommending this book to clarify that it shouldn’t be exalted above God’s Word, I believe it is a powerful tool to deepen a believer’s relationship with God and to fix many of the misperceptions of who God is in the minds of nonbelievers. Because it shows God as love–pure, intimate and unadulterated–I think nonbelievers can benefit greatly from reading it because so many outside the Church (and inside it, for that matter) don’t understand God as loving. God’s love is the most important thing, and this book makes that beautifully clear. Thank you for this explanation and keep up the good work!

  39. Comment by Sharon | 2008/04/28 at 15:39:59

    I don’t know if heaven is like that or not, but I hope it is.

    I’ve been in the church (and in the Word) for more than 30 years - it changed my life.

    If you look hard enough, you’ll find the boogey man behind every bush.

    To God be the Glory - great things He has done - including the inspiration of “The Shack.”

  40. Comment by tim forster | 2008/05/11 at 22:53:58

    ANOTHER NOTE ON THE SHACK: I WORKED FOR SOME YEARS IN MANY PLACES WHERE I HAD TO
    DETECT PHONIES OF MANY TYPES.

    AS A MEDICAL WORKER , MANY TIMES I SAW CREEPS WHO WERE TRYING TO PULL SOMETHING OVER ON THE COMPENSATION BOARD–LEARNED TO SPOT THEM.

    AS A SECURITY GUARD, PEOPLE WHOO WERE OT SUPPOSSED TO BE THERE WERE IDENTIFIED.

    AS A BLOOD DONOR ATTENDANT, CERTAIN WEIRDOS HAD TO BE REMOVED TO AVOID BAD BLOOD IN THE SUPPLY.

    AS A CABBIE, EVERY CON MAN AND CROOK WOULD CROSS YOUR PATH DAILY.
    THEY HAD TO BE REFUSED. YOU LEARN TO KNOW WHERE THEY ARE AND THEIR MO.

    SHACK IS IMMATURITY.

    THE FAKENESS OF THE THING STICKS OUT LIKE ANY CON MAN.

  41. Comment by Justine | 2008/05/16 at 21:20:55

    I liked the Shack for the way it described our intimate grace relationship with God. But the feminization of God kinda turned me off. The story felt, in places, almost irreverant. Maybe that’s just my hangup. But I get what the author tried to do…and kudos for that. But gee, fellas, it’s like nobody ever read their bible! Why is this novel suddenly taking the country by storm? Has nobody heard the good news about GRACE?? Has nobody read the bible yet? I quit listening to hellfire & brimstone preachers years ago, because I knew there was more to God than righteous judgment….God is loving, merciful, good, and holy. He wants to be intimately involved with every aspect of our lives. But, at some point it becomes problematic when authors keep trying to bring God down to the human level in order to get us to comprehend Him. The Holy Spirit gives the revelation, not the author.

  42. Comment by Bill | 2008/06/03 at 20:23:07

    In the fifth paragraph, the word should be “piques,” not “peaks.”

  43. Comment by Wayne | 2008/06/03 at 21:55:14

    Thanks, Bill. I changed it.

    Wayne

  44. Comment by Dave | 2008/06/04 at 08:54:40

    I read the book and liked it very much. As much Christian fiction I’ve read does…it get’s preachy sometimes, I’m a preacher, I know when a book gets preachy. :-)

    While there were moments I thought is was putting words in God’s mouth for effect, I can’t say I haven’t done the same from the pulpit as I’ve tried to “reword” the gospel…to be understood.

    It’s strong points are helping readers accept what God has done for them (in Christ) and to not get hung (forever) on what God could have done, but chose not to. God doesn’t need it, but some of us do have to “forgive God” in order to move forward in our relationship with Him. It’s our problem, but just telling someone not to be mad at God does about as much good as telling a teenage boy not to look at girls.

    Having read a few “detractor” sites, who see in this book a great evil and their chance for derivative exposure….I was glad to see somene who read it positively. Over all I think the book can be helpful to hurting people. One of the best lines in the book, (the Shack) is when God says, “I’m not who you think I am.” I believe Papa says that a couple times. Nothing could possibly be more true, and our discovery of God will be endless.

    Having just conducted a funeral for a 25 year old drowning victim, who’s father tried to save him unsuccessfully, there is a lot of “FOLK THEOLOGY” that surrounds tragedy.
    –Jesus took him
    –his time was up
    –He must be needed elsewhere
    –(and my personal pet peeve) There weren’t enough stars in the sky, or enough flowers in the fields of heaven. BUNK! If God can speak creation into being, he can have all the flowers and stars he wants without borrowing lives from earth. Tragedy happens because of human freedom and poor choices, and the fact that the world is broken by sin until it is fully redeemed.

    This book is much more truly Biblical than most of the comments offered by christian people at a tragic funeral.

    Heaven will be as interesting for the legalistic…as the stay at the shack was for Mack. As a pastor I will recommend the book with a few cautions. It’s obviously not the Bible. It’s not perfect. But it may move hearts toward the God who is truth, and who is perfect, and will love them in all three of His perfect expressions.

    Dave Fowler
    South Central MO

  45. Comment by Robyn Collins | 2008/06/05 at 21:48:16

    In my everyday job I am required to read and review content for biblical accuracy and theological soundness for a Baptist megachurch in plano, tx. i write scripts and develop curriculum for several age groups. With that disclaimer and/or filter… I will say that I was guided to read The Shack by two people in two days following the death of my father (it was not tragic, just untimely in my life, perfectly timed in his)

    I absorbed, soaked up, loved, underlined, highlighted and reread my copy of THE SHACK. I found that it did not confuse the issues of my Biblical worldview… but enhanced and maginfied the God I am even more in love with now than before reading Te Shack. The look at forgiveness and redemption was lifechanging… again, not parralleling it to scripture, just stating that The SHACK shed light and gave new words for me understand the vastness and unchanging nature of God. The concept that I do not change who God is by my actions… was groundbreaking for me.

    I am eternally grateful for the warfare the author and contributors have to have endured in the process, and continue to endure, as I believe THE SHACK gives us new ways to express the unchanging truths of the Bible… in a palatable, delectible, pungent, overwhelming feast.

    I will be praying for their protection, as satan really does not appreicate things that help people understand even a tiny bit more …how big and wild and amazing God’s love is

  46. Comment by Carla | 2008/06/24 at 00:59:39

    Why is it that you haven’t let people who don’t agree with this book post a comment? I’ve heard that people that post a negative comment don’t get heard, but if they put a positive header on their reply then it goes through. Wonder why that is?

  47. Comment by Wayne | 2008/06/24 at 08:00:17

    Carla,

    Why don’t you throttle back the accusations there? And you’d be wise not to believe all the accusations you hear. People who want to marginalize others have no problem lying about them. i do not screen out negative comments. Read this blog throughout and you’ll see that to be true.

    All the comments on this site go through me and I have never withheld a post because it disagreed with me. In fact, I have only blocked three comments on this blog since I began it. And the reason I did is because the comments where either too laced with anger or simply untrue. I won’t allow posts here that ostensibly disagree with me, when they do not accurately reflect my views on the subject at hand.

    But, as I said that’s only happened three times in four years, so I don’t understand why you seem so upset. You’re welcome to disagree here, but please be gentle, respectful and honest.

    Wayne

  48. Comment by Carla | 2008/06/24 at 17:31:02

    First of all I’m no liar, and I wasn’t overly upset as you seem to assume. You said to be gentle respectful and honest I didn’t think I was being overly aggressive or disrepectful with my comment.
    I have found many untruths in this book. A lot of the things said do not back up with God’s word. In the book it’s said that God doesn’t judge. That is not the truth. God is our judge. If not the Creator than who? What happened to the Isrealites when they disobeyed God. Yes, God still loves us when we do wrong, but we aren’t let of the hook so to speak. We can’t continue in sin without repentence and expect him not to correct us. Even earthly parents punish their children when the disobey, Spare the rod. I’m not talking about abuse here. I’m talking about godly discipline, so let’s make that clear. I think people today would like to have a god that conforms to how they want to live instead of the other way around. That way there is no guilt. God clearly tells us how to live in his Word. Why do we as a society try to change Gods instruction? I understood what he was trying to say in parts of his book, but I think if a person reads this, not knowing what God’s Word says about it, then I think confusion reigns. I started reading this book expecting to like it, but the more I read it the more I saw it for what is truly is. Someone elses “idea” of who God is. I’ve had enough of that. Relationship is mentioned a lot in the book, but I think salvation through the blood of Jesus Christ is first and foremost, then the relationship with the Lord matures after that. Jesus says that no one comes to the Father except through him. Excepting Christ is the only way to salvation. Not just being in relationship with others and being servants to others. The book mentions that evil doesn’t exist.If there isn’t darkeness and evil in the world, then why did Christ have to die for us in the first place?

  49. Comment by Waynette | 2008/06/25 at 16:44:45

    I just finished reading this book. I will encourage everyone to read it for these reasons…if we are in an awe inspiring RELATIONSHIP with the Living Lord of the Universe and this book gives a glimpse of what that might look like. I was asked to read it (I thought to evaluate the content for who knows what) It is fiction, but who wouldn’t want to be in a relationship with Someone who loved you this much and then in return follow Him. It is all about the relationship with and in and thru Christ…Great read!!Now GO make a movie…from sinner to saint by the Grace of the Lord.

  50. Comment by kathie | 2008/06/27 at 09:18:58

    I’ve been born-again for 37 years and have always sought to have an intimate relationship with God The Father, Jesus the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Read the book - came away with a new love and passion for God. I started reading all of the controversy about the book and realized all I took away from this book was a wonderful, fresh, renewed love for my Savior. Wayne, I like your explanation for the book. God bless!!!

  51. Comment by Johnny King | 2008/06/30 at 10:18:29

    With a great enthusiasm and an honest love for the lord, a good friend of mine gave me a copy of The Shack. I read it over the course of a day or two; and, although the core message is undeniably worthy, I found the book arguably unbiblical and subversive. Whatever, there’s no shortage of biblical criticism for the scholars (which I am not) to debate. However, what really struck me was the blatantly obvious pattern of academic multi cultural curriculum tendencies such as girl power, male bashing, earth the abandon child, and kudos to Bruce Cockburn and Bill Moyers. That alone made me giggle and make me pine for the old college days when two plus two wasn’t necessarily always four. If you were to deconstuct the novel on its characters alone you would find all the female characters (God, a large African-American woman; the holy spirit, an Asian woman; the judge, an olive skinned Hispanic woman, and Nan, MacK’s wife) as strong, wise, and, in the case of the judge, stunningly beautiful. If you do the same for the male characters you find them confused and broken–that is with the exception of Jesus; he’s short, unattactive, and has a big nose. The book muses on what the world be like if women were in charge and God even reminds the reader “Men! Such idiots at times.” We’re also reminded that “Our Earth is like a child who has grown up without parents, having to guide and direct her.” Finally, Mack, the novel’s central character is a Bill Moyers (that’s PBS guru and uber liberal) and Bruce Cockburn (I too like and admire for his music) fan. Even God digs Bruce in The Shack. Couple all of this with the themes of relationships, no hierarchy, God’s summission to you, “I don’t punish sin,” and no mention of authority or sovereignty, and there is no doubt this novel will soon be the darling of English departments across the country. Finally, I do have to say the author is not afraid to name some of his creative influences and some of who include Moby, Indigo Girls, the Dixie Chicks, and Maya Angelou. Read the book and decide for yourself.

  52. Comment by Dave Marks | 2008/07/02 at 10:09:22

    Why are people having such a hard time with this very well written piece of FICTION? If the book is successful in moving people towards a relationship with Jesus then the book should be embraced?

    Lets be honest no one truly knows the nature of God. This book portrays the author’s perception of his relationship with God. We all have different perceptions and ideas – perhaps we’re all wrong – perhaps we’re all right.

  53. Comment by Shane Coley | 2008/07/05 at 15:32:40

    Quoted from Wayne above: “But those who confuse the issues by making up their own back-story for the book, or ascribing motives to its publication without ever finding out the truth, only prove our point.”

    Mr. Jacobsen: When a person writes or speaks about truth claims presented in scripture, then the claims are either the same as what scripture presents, or different. If the claims are different, then the person presenting the claims is asking readers and hearers to choose whom they believe. I.e. either writings Jesus accepted as inspired and reliable or this person presenting a different claim.

    For instance, on pages 102 and 190 statements are made about love, by the author, as though they are words spoken by God. These words contradict what scripture says about God; i.e. 1 John 4:8 includes the phrase “God is love.”

    In the book: “…love would have no meaning” and “…I destroy the possibility of love”

    Logically translated: “…God would have no meaning,” “…God destroys the possibility of God.”

    Based on these bits of dialogue in context, as well as other parts of the book, much more could be discussed about claims in The Shack regarding the relationship of God to His creation. For now a single narrow point conveys the idea in focus.

    Scripture makes a claim. The Shack makes a claim. Readers are asked to choose.

    Your quoted statement above has two major flaws.

    First, you accuse others of not “finding out the truth” before ascribing motives. This is judgmental by you. The Shack is filled with claims that judgment is bad and should be avoided. Therefore, given that you claim “The Shack” position on judgment, you have no basis to judge others. You have no ground on which to stand.

    Scripture teaches that we are to judge those inside the church and to judge teachings regarding claims God has revealed through inspired writings. However, this is of no use to you because The Shack presents a different teaching about judgment than scripture. Because you are judging others, I ask; have you now changed your position on judgment from that stated (but not practiced) in The Shack? (The Shack is also judgmental, as indicated by your quote, but that is not the current focus.)

    Secondly, The Shack puts words in God’s mouth and ascribes motives to God which are in conflict with scripture. You want others to understand you and “find out the truth” before taking positions or ascribing motives to you and your team. You are apparently willing to do, perhaps comfortable doing, to God what you expect others to refrain from doing to you.

    When choosing between clear revelation in scripture and anything or anyone else, Galatians 1:8 provides us guidance.

    Gal 1:8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed!

  54. Comment by Wayne | 2008/07/07 at 07:07:14

    Shane,

    You really missed the point of the comment of mine you quoted. We don’t mind people the conversation people are having who disagree with points in THE SHACK on biblical grounds. My comment wasn’t about that. We’re pleased that people are looking to the Scriptures to see if these things be so, since all of us on this team are passionate followers of the God of the Bible as revealed through Jesus Christ.

    My comment was directed at those who accuse the author of writing this book to surreptitiously indoctrinate people into some kind of new age Hinduism, or a black Madonna cult. That’s the kind of made-up back-story I was referring too. No effort was made to find out the truth of whether the author had that kind of agenda or not. They just made it up in an attempt discredit his book by lying about him. It would be the same as if someone accused you of writing what you did because you were a radicalized Islamic fundamentalist trying to stir up controversy among Christians. It’s a pathetic and dishonest tactic that I hope people see through. That’s not judging other people’s motives, that is calling out specific actions they have made.

    As to some other objections from the book, like the one you quote, I honestly wonder if people know how to read fiction. The point of the passages you quote from THE SHACK are to make the very point you are making. The author had Papa suggesting an impossible hypothetical. The Scriptures you quote make the same point exactly. It would be impossible for God to act in any way that is not loving, since he is love itself.

    I hope that helps clarify our position. We’re confident that this story, correctly read as the fictional story it we put together, represents the heart of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. You can, of course, still believe what you want.

    Wayne

  55. Comment by Heather | 2008/07/08 at 11:58:04

    Thank you for working on this project :-)

    Isn’t it great to know that God is in control? Awsome it is - to exchange ideas, thoughts - and disagree - it is even greater to know that thru it all God is still in control.

  56. Comment by Andrea | 2008/07/10 at 18:22:34

    Why isn’t God’s word enough?

  57. Comment by GregF | 2008/07/10 at 19:01:28

    For some unknown reason as I got further into “The Shack” I thought of the Gwendolyn Brooks’ poem “The Preacher Ruminates Behind the Sermon”:

    I think it must be lonely to be God.
    Nobody loves a master. No. Despite
    The bright hosannas, bright dear-Lords, and bright
    Determined reverence of Sunday eyes.

    Picture Jehovah striding through the hall
    Of his importance, creatures running out
    From servant-corners to acclaim, to shout
    Appreciation of His merit’s gaze.

    But who walks with Him?–dares to take His arm,
    To slap Him on the shoulder, tweak His ear,
    Buy Him a Coca-Cola or a beer,
    Pooh-pooh His politics, call Him a fool?

    Perhaps–who knows?–He tires of looking down.
    Those eyes are never lifted. Never straight.
    Perhaps sometimes He tires of being great
    In solitude. Without a hand to hold.

    Why? Who knows. I do know for certain that, up to this book, I have never had any desire to see what God looks like in a dress. Perhaps I have a repressed wish to eat some greens and drink a beer with Him. Were that to happen I would, of course (being with God and all) try to eat a balanced diet.

    Both Brooks and Young have given us a God (god?) we can relate to, but - I wonder - at what cost?

    GregF

  58. Comment by Tanya | 2008/07/10 at 23:58:57

    Wow. It is so unfortunate that so often our faith-walk is perceived as a static reality instead of the dynamic Journey which God intended. God revealed Himself to us through this amazing book called the Bible, but He isn’t stuck there. He is beautiful, and He is infinite, and He is All in All, and I would say that most believers know that. Yet we still have these subconscious God-boxes, and we balk at the slightest nudge of that box, as though God will somehow become less than who He truly is if our paradigms are rattled. Or shattered. This is understandably a scary thing, having your paradigm challenged. But God isn’t afraid of it. In fact, this is a fundamental part of our Journey. There are many teachings that I don’t necessarily agree with which are espoused throughout the Body, but I’m not afraid to discuss them. It doesn’t make one evil, divisive, or even deceived because they are willing to ask questions or consider that perhaps the paradigm they’ve embraced is lacking. This is how we grow, and yes, the Christian life is about growth. I was raised to believe that women should not wear pants, jewelry, make-up, or even enter the pulpit (which, in our church, was a place, not a thing.) We had to remove our nail polish on the way to church. We were holy. They weren’t . Every belief in our denomination could be “supported” by scripture. But did that make the interpretation accurate? Obviously not. Yes, having one’s paradigm challenged is a good thing, if for no other reason but that it forces him to look deeper into God for His Truth.

    Lessons I learned from The Shack:

    1- First and foremost, God LOVES me. Now, I have been churched from the cradle, so I know this Truth. However, somehow, it never embedded into my spirit. There’s a difference between mentally ascenting to a Biblical Truth, and embracing it with every fiber of your being. The Shack helped helped catalyze that in me.

    2- I do not have to do anything in order to receive God’s love. NOT EVEN REPENT EVERY TIME I SCREW UP. Yes, also another truth I grew up with, but in the practical workings of everyday life, this was nothing more than some ephemeral idea. Love. OOOHHH. Agape. Right. So, what does that mean? What does it look like? How does it play out in my reality? Seeing God’s love within Himself, as expressed through Paul’s imagination (the author Paul, not the apostle Paul), helped me to envision the Love He wants to share with me. Now, if you don’t give God the persons of God a canvas in the story (ie. bodies), you don’t get the kind of interaction that Mack (or Tanya) can actually comprehend. And this Love within the Trinity is key. So Paul anthropomorphizes the God of the Universe. Call it artistic liscence. Does he actually believe that the Father is a black woman, the Spirit is a wispy asian lady, and Jesus is a middle eastern guy. I serioulsy doubt it. (Except for the middle eastern guy-part). The Shack simply lends a visual aid to try and facilitate our visualization of the relationship betweeb the three. I seriously doubt that people will be deceived into believing that God looks like any of these people. The question we should be asking is this: What was the fruit of this anthropomorphism? In my life, God has gone from being the Almighty, but inaccessible God, to being the God who knows Love because He is Love. And He IS Love because He is the Trinity. He is totally fulfilled in that Love relationship with Himself, and He wants me to share that with me. Now THAT is good news!

    3- I judge God and fear difficult circumstances, believing that God is either punishing me, ignoring me, or allowing difficult circumstances because of my lack of faith. All wrong. Flat out lies. But we believe them, because this is what we’re taught, even though they’re not scriptural. God, in His grace, shows Mack that he has judged Him, and is believing a whole lot of junk about Him that just isn’t true. It’s His kindness that leads us to repentance, and that’s what God does with Mack.

    I could go on and on with the lessons I learned, but I won’t. There are many points made in this book which have profound implications, not because they alter God’s Truth, but because they will cause us to re-evaluate many of the realities of Christianity as we’ve experienced it. And again, I submit that that is ok. In fact, it’s great.

    Finally, I would love for the people who have taken issue with the book to have the opportunity to talk with the author. I had a chance to talk with him during his recent trip to Atlanta, and a man more passionately in Love with God you’ll be hard-pressed to find. There’s an authenticity and humility to him that is at once refreshing and encouraging. He’s let the refining fires of life purge him, and he’s simply sharing from the Love he’s gained out of that process. I think that that’s beautiful, and I’m absolutely certain that the people who are so violently opposed to his story would come away from a one on one meeting with him loving the man, and appreciating his walk with and love for the Lord. It seems that people who have gone through the refining fires with Him aren’t afraid to be vulnerable regarding their walks with Him, provided they’ve let that fire have it perfect work in them.

  59. Comment by Steve | 2008/07/13 at 17:02:16

    My wife handed me the book and said I should read it and report back to her as she has heard some disturbed people who didn’t like it. Soooo like a dutiful husband I read it and just finished it a couple hours ago. I think I know why many are disturbed.

    I’ve learned long ago that each of us has an agenda whether we want to admit it or not. This agenda is related to our core belief system and controls how we think act and react. Unfortunately many people can’t allow themselves to think outside their box as this is a threat to who they are. They fail to see or envision who they could become and lock down their thinking.

    As I read this book I searched for the agenda and by the end I found it. The author wants you to have a closer more personal relationship with God, the Creator of the universe. Shame on him!!!

    As I read I found myself